Miniature Poofer - Worth trying?

topic posted Fri, November 6, 2009 - 4:52 PM by  Grizzle
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Hi all - I'm new to this group, but I've spent lots of time over the years reading the very valuable information many of you have posted here. It's a great resource!

Anyway, I'm contemplating trying to build a scaled-down version of a 5G two-tank supply/vapor poofer out of two Coleman disposable tanks. After chatting with my friends at our local ACE, it seems that one can remove the valve from an empty tank, thus ulitizing it as a vapor accumulator. Has anyone tried this build? Assuming I can safely remove the valve from one tank, are there any safety reasons against using disposable tanks in a poofer build, essentially scaling down a 5G poofer setup?

I know one of the crucial aspects of the design of the 5G poofers I have built is using 3/4" steel gas pipe and an all-brass high-psi valve at the top of the poofer, so I would have to design the mini-poofer with components and materials that are adequately rated for withstanding the same vapor pressures.

I did try and search this Tribe for information that has already been posted on this topic (disposable tank poofers) , and did not find anything that specifically addressed it. I apologize if I may have not searched well enough and if such a topic exits I would appreciate it if someone sent me to it.
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Grizzle
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  • Re: Miniature Poofer - Worth trying?

    Fri, November 6, 2009 - 8:07 PM
    The disposable tanks aren't rated for cyclic loading - that's why it's illegal to transport them if they're refilled.
    I'd use something a bit more robust if you can. For an experiment, you'll be ok - but for long term use, find
    something better.

    What size valve & exit pipe are you planning to use?
    • Re: Miniature Poofer - Worth trying?

      Sun, November 8, 2009 - 6:07 PM
      True...I think given that fact (disposible tanks not being rated for cyclic loading) this is a non-starter.

      Since I was bored yesterday though, I plumbed up a system with 1/2" black steel gas pipe, and built it with an empty 16.4 oz Coleman tank as a vapor tank, and loaded it with compressed air to 30, 40, then 50 psi just to see if things would move through the system as I would want LP to. The system held, but after a few bursts, I developed a malfunction in my globe valve at the top (Kingston #305B, with a reduction coupling to a 1/4" brass nipple) so I had to take that apart and re-set all the o-rings (full of playa - surprise!). That hurdle past, I sat down and thought for a while if I really wanted to load the system with propane using the disposable tank as a vapor chamber, and I decided not to. Something about the "disposable" moniker makes me fear for my safety when it's pressurized with vaporized LP.

      Anyway, if I can find some fire extinguisher tanks, I might try that out for another go-around...
      • Re: Miniature Poofer - Worth trying?

        Sun, November 8, 2009 - 6:21 PM
        OMFGSTOPRIGHTTHERE.

        Ok. So most extinguisher bodies are dry chem bodies, meaning they are not rated to hold much pressure at all, just enough to move a bunch of dry chemicals out the top. Pressure rated fire extinguishers are CO2 or others that have hydrostatic tests performed, and will be stamped around the shoulder with a four digit code. The last two digits should correspond to a year within the last 8 or 10.
  • Re: Miniature Poofer - Worth trying?

    Mon, November 9, 2009 - 5:29 PM
    Swagelok makes some gorgeous high-pressure stainless gas sample cylinders in both single-end and double-end configurations that might make good miniature accumulators. They're mainly used in industrial labs and are quite expensive, but I've occasionally seen decent-looking surplus ones on eBay. Of course, if you're buying used, you probably should have it hydrostatically pressure tested for safety, but the original pressure ratings are typically very high.
    • Re: Miniature Poofer - Worth trying?

      Fri, November 13, 2009 - 11:07 AM
      how big of an accumulator do you want? I think you could just use sch80 pipe at say 4in dia. and then calculate out how big you want it and then get that length. Valve size? or rather orifice size?
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        Re: Miniature Poofer - Worth trying?

        Thu, November 26, 2009 - 12:12 AM
        If any of you are a good welder tanks are simple. 4 inch steel pipe about16 in long x2 and you weld 1/2 in plate on each end. Drill out your regulater and flow valve port on top. Trim the plate to mold to 4 in tube. hook compressor up and pressure check your design and i think you will be pleased with results. Hope this helps you so some of you dont burn up or burn anyone else. By the way mine shoots 65 feet . have fun.

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