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Hello all,
I've been reading on the site and a few others for a couple weeks. I'm at the point where I'm ready to start my build but before I start shelling out money for parts I'd like to get confirmation that I'm doing OK. I know a lot of members say you have to experiment, and I plan on it, but I don't want to start off with the wrong parts for the basics. If I blow my money on the wrong parts this project is dead before it starts. Please help :)
Objective: Propane flame effect, AKA poofer able to produce flame balls/columns about 30-40' high
Design -
* 20lb propane tank supply tank - Craigslist
* POL Fitting (supply tank to system) - Full flow - www.amazon.com/P-O-L-Adap.../ref=sr_1_2
* 1/4" quarter turn shut off valve - WOG rated - Source TBD
* 15' propane hose - www.amazon.com/exec/obido...rd_cart_shr
* Quick connection - Gas rated - Source TBD
* 1/4" quarter turn shut off valve - WOG rated - Source TBD
* 1/4" by 3/4" by 1/4" by 3/4" cross connection - schedule 80
There are now three outputs on the cross connection (4th being the input). Output A = 3/4", output B = 3/4", output C = 1/4".
Output A - 3/4" - To accumulator
* 8" - 3/4" nipple - schedule 80
* 3/4" union - schedule 80
* 4" - 3/4" nipple - schedule 80
* 20lb propane tank with valve removed (accumulator) - Craigslist
Output B - 3/4" - To valve and flame output
* 3' - 3/4" nipple - schedule 80
* 3/4" Asco 8210 solenoid valve
* 4" - 3/4" nipple - schedule 80
* 3/4" to 1" reducer - schedule 80
* 8" - 1" nipple - schedule 80
Output C - 1/4" - To pilot flame
* 1/4" elbow - schedule 80
* 6" - 1/4" nipple - schedule 80
* Pressure regulator - www.amazon.com/exec/obido...rd_cart_shr
* 4' propane hose
* 1/4" compression fitting
* 1/4" soft copper pilot line (will be band clamped to final 1" nipple as outlined above)
* Some method to cap end of 1/4" soft copper pilot line
This is all based around this design - www.spontaneousfire.com/TOD_fi...ns.htm.
1) What does everyone think about this plan? Problems?
2) Is using an union cool? I want this to be reasonable to transport and that seemed like the easiest way.
3) Any suggestions on sourcing the parts? I included links where I had a source, the pipe I was going to get at a local plumbing supply house. What about the Asco valve? Is there better options?
Thanks in advance,
Tim
I've been reading on the site and a few others for a couple weeks. I'm at the point where I'm ready to start my build but before I start shelling out money for parts I'd like to get confirmation that I'm doing OK. I know a lot of members say you have to experiment, and I plan on it, but I don't want to start off with the wrong parts for the basics. If I blow my money on the wrong parts this project is dead before it starts. Please help :)
Objective: Propane flame effect, AKA poofer able to produce flame balls/columns about 30-40' high
Design -
* 20lb propane tank supply tank - Craigslist
* POL Fitting (supply tank to system) - Full flow - www.amazon.com/P-O-L-Adap.../ref=sr_1_2
* 1/4" quarter turn shut off valve - WOG rated - Source TBD
* 15' propane hose - www.amazon.com/exec/obido...rd_cart_shr
* Quick connection - Gas rated - Source TBD
* 1/4" quarter turn shut off valve - WOG rated - Source TBD
* 1/4" by 3/4" by 1/4" by 3/4" cross connection - schedule 80
There are now three outputs on the cross connection (4th being the input). Output A = 3/4", output B = 3/4", output C = 1/4".
Output A - 3/4" - To accumulator
* 8" - 3/4" nipple - schedule 80
* 3/4" union - schedule 80
* 4" - 3/4" nipple - schedule 80
* 20lb propane tank with valve removed (accumulator) - Craigslist
Output B - 3/4" - To valve and flame output
* 3' - 3/4" nipple - schedule 80
* 3/4" Asco 8210 solenoid valve
* 4" - 3/4" nipple - schedule 80
* 3/4" to 1" reducer - schedule 80
* 8" - 1" nipple - schedule 80
Output C - 1/4" - To pilot flame
* 1/4" elbow - schedule 80
* 6" - 1/4" nipple - schedule 80
* Pressure regulator - www.amazon.com/exec/obido...rd_cart_shr
* 4' propane hose
* 1/4" compression fitting
* 1/4" soft copper pilot line (will be band clamped to final 1" nipple as outlined above)
* Some method to cap end of 1/4" soft copper pilot line
This is all based around this design - www.spontaneousfire.com/TOD_fi...ns.htm.
1) What does everyone think about this plan? Problems?
2) Is using an union cool? I want this to be reasonable to transport and that seemed like the easiest way.
3) Any suggestions on sourcing the parts? I included links where I had a source, the pipe I was going to get at a local plumbing supply house. What about the Asco valve? Is there better options?
Thanks in advance,
Tim
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Re: Feedback on my propane flame effect build please
Wed, July 22, 2009 - 4:36 PM30 to 40 feet? Feet-feet, or metric feet? because that's a lot to get out of 2 bbq tanks.
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Re: Feedback on my propane flame effect build please
Wed, July 22, 2009 - 11:31 PM3/4 " pipe outlet will give you about 20-25 feet of flame....using such a small tank as the supply will only give you a few of them this big before the source tank starts icing up, then you will be lucky to get 10-15 feet if the wind is right.
Not so sure about a BBQ extension hose either, that's pretty cheap, and thin, it might ice up with the amount of transfer you will be having...I use liquid fuel lines(forklift fuel hoses). -
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Re: Feedback on my propane flame effect build please
Thu, July 23, 2009 - 2:09 PMThanks for the feedback on the hoses. Can I use hydraulic hoses, or should they be propane rated? I read somewhere on here that people use hydraulic fittings, that is OK, right?
www.propanewarehouse.com/highp...il.asp
www.surpluscenter.com/item.asp
I for some reason only thought the really big effect were using anything over the 20lbs tanks and even some big effects were still only using the 20 lbs tanks -
screwdecaf.cx/the_high-li...tml#id866060
www.effectspecialist.com/image...91.jpg
I'm looking for feedback so this is great!
Thanks,
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Re: Feedback on my propane flame effect build please
Thu, July 23, 2009 - 3:43 PMWhen i first ran in to get a propane adaptor, the lady wouldn't sell it to me without a 45 minute lecture about gas and fire safety, using propane approved hoses and schedule 80 pipe. It gave me a glimpse into why girls sometimes hate going into a clinic to get the pill *shudder*
But that lecture served me well. If the hose doesn't say it's rated for propane, it's not rated for propane. this is the single most dangerous fuel available to most people. Get your hoses from a local welding supply or propane dealer. Tell them EXACTLY what you're gonna use it for, and hypothesize on what else might happen. Just in general, I'd avoid anything online. -
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Re: Feedback on my propane flame effect build please
Thu, July 23, 2009 - 4:31 PMThis is a great post! Thanks!
I have 2 wholesalers that deal in hydrolic fittings, and LPG hoses and fittings.
I dont have the links , but if I can find them I'll post them.
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Re: Feedback on my propane flame effect build please
Thu, July 23, 2009 - 1:58 PMI got your message and will get back to you, thanks!
Tim -
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Re: Feedback on my propane flame effect build please
Mon, July 27, 2009 - 5:28 PMTim, Sounds like you and I are very close in terms of what we are trying to accomplish and how. I am just a bit ahead of you, in that I have the device built and have already pressure tested with compressed air (I've been waiting on propane-filled tests for safety reasons. . . gotta make sure everything is perfect!)
Anyways, my only concern with your the plans you cite (spontaneousfire) is that the pilot may go out upon release of the accumulator due to the pressure drop. I've been playing with the idea of getting a POL "Y" fitting so that the pilot feed splits off before the high-pressure rubber hose, thus hopefulls preventing the pilot from going out. Have you (or others out there) given this some thought? I read another post suggesting using a seperate (mini) propane tank to feed the polit to avoid this problem.
Also, if I'm reading correctly, it seems you have a 3 foot pipe coming out of the accumulator. For your application, Is 3 feet (plus height of accumulator and fittings) going to be enough height to so things safely? My design has a final height of 9 feet (including accumulator and fittings), but I'm thinking of going to atleast 10 for safety concerns.
I'm happy to see someone else working towards a similar goal. best of luck. Mark
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