Feedback on my propane flame effect build please

topic posted Tue, July 21, 2009 - 8:52 PM by  Tim
Share/Save/Bookmark
Advertisement
Hello all,

I've been reading on the site and a few others for a couple weeks. I'm at the point where I'm ready to start my build but before I start shelling out money for parts I'd like to get confirmation that I'm doing OK. I know a lot of members say you have to experiment, and I plan on it, but I don't want to start off with the wrong parts for the basics. If I blow my money on the wrong parts this project is dead before it starts. Please help :)

Objective: Propane flame effect, AKA poofer able to produce flame balls/columns about 30-40' high

Design -
* 20lb propane tank supply tank - Craigslist
* POL Fitting (supply tank to system) - Full flow - www.amazon.com/P-O-L-Adap.../ref=sr_1_2
* 1/4" quarter turn shut off valve - WOG rated - Source TBD
* 15' propane hose - www.amazon.com/exec/obido...rd_cart_shr
* Quick connection - Gas rated - Source TBD
* 1/4" quarter turn shut off valve - WOG rated - Source TBD
* 1/4" by 3/4" by 1/4" by 3/4" cross connection - schedule 80

There are now three outputs on the cross connection (4th being the input). Output A = 3/4", output B = 3/4", output C = 1/4".

Output A - 3/4" - To accumulator
* 8" - 3/4" nipple - schedule 80
* 3/4" union - schedule 80
* 4" - 3/4" nipple - schedule 80
* 20lb propane tank with valve removed (accumulator) - Craigslist

Output B - 3/4" - To valve and flame output
* 3' - 3/4" nipple - schedule 80
* 3/4" Asco 8210 solenoid valve
* 4" - 3/4" nipple - schedule 80
* 3/4" to 1" reducer - schedule 80
* 8" - 1" nipple - schedule 80

Output C - 1/4" - To pilot flame
* 1/4" elbow - schedule 80
* 6" - 1/4" nipple - schedule 80
* Pressure regulator - www.amazon.com/exec/obido...rd_cart_shr
* 4' propane hose
* 1/4" compression fitting
* 1/4" soft copper pilot line (will be band clamped to final 1" nipple as outlined above)
* Some method to cap end of 1/4" soft copper pilot line

This is all based around this design - www.spontaneousfire.com/TOD_fi...ns.htm.

1) What does everyone think about this plan? Problems?
2) Is using an union cool? I want this to be reasonable to transport and that seemed like the easiest way.
3) Any suggestions on sourcing the parts? I included links where I had a source, the pipe I was going to get at a local plumbing supply house. What about the Asco valve? Is there better options?

Thanks in advance,
Tim
posted by:
Tim
offline Tim
Boston
Advertisement
Advertisement
  • 30 to 40 feet? Feet-feet, or metric feet? because that's a lot to get out of 2 bbq tanks.

    I'll private message you.
    • 3/4 " pipe outlet will give you about 20-25 feet of flame....using such a small tank as the supply will only give you a few of them this big before the source tank starts icing up, then you will be lucky to get 10-15 feet if the wind is right.

      Not so sure about a BBQ extension hose either, that's pretty cheap, and thin, it might ice up with the amount of transfer you will be having...I use liquid fuel lines(forklift fuel hoses).
    • Tim
      Tim
      offline 0
      I got your message and will get back to you, thanks!

      Tim
      • Tim, Sounds like you and I are very close in terms of what we are trying to accomplish and how. I am just a bit ahead of you, in that I have the device built and have already pressure tested with compressed air (I've been waiting on propane-filled tests for safety reasons. . . gotta make sure everything is perfect!)

        Anyways, my only concern with your the plans you cite (spontaneousfire) is that the pilot may go out upon release of the accumulator due to the pressure drop. I've been playing with the idea of getting a POL "Y" fitting so that the pilot feed splits off before the high-pressure rubber hose, thus hopefulls preventing the pilot from going out. Have you (or others out there) given this some thought? I read another post suggesting using a seperate (mini) propane tank to feed the polit to avoid this problem.

        Also, if I'm reading correctly, it seems you have a 3 foot pipe coming out of the accumulator. For your application, Is 3 feet (plus height of accumulator and fittings) going to be enough height to so things safely? My design has a final height of 9 feet (including accumulator and fittings), but I'm thinking of going to atleast 10 for safety concerns.

        I'm happy to see someone else working towards a similar goal. best of luck. Mark

Recent topics in "pyro"

Topic Author Replies Last Post
smoke bombs Kandy 22 November 27, 2009
Miniature Poofer - Worth trying? Grizzle 8 November 26, 2009
Gas fire "ball" explosion Lunartool 11 October 28, 2009
I am a pyro! Hokey 1 October 28, 2009